Secundus has set himself the task of naming twenty singers. He lowers it to ten, but successfully completes his decalogue with a clutch of teenage female singers who all seem to have Nickelodeon or Disney Channel shows. Or vice versa.
"You missed a big name," I tell him. "What about Lady Gaga?"
"Yeah, I wasn't really thinking about any old singers," he says.
Gaga is 24.